Saturday, December 24, 2011

All the Sad Young Pretty Girls

I woke up this morning feeling a bit flattened and depressed. I don't know why. I think it's because I was disturbed or agitated by what I was reading last night, and perhaps the only way to get it out there is to write about it here, attempt to formulate more of a theory or thesis or answer (I was interviewed for a teaching job last week, over the phone. I was asked about Heroines, what my thesis was, by the interviewer, a male philosopher. After some stuttering about various feminisms and girls, I finally answered: my writing doesn't have a thesis). Last night I lay in bed and read all about the hullabaloo surrounding this young writer who goes by the pseudonym of Marie Calloway, who has written pieces about her sexual exploits before on Thought Catalog, usually with accompanying, femme-enfant portraits despite her otherwise anonymity. She recently published a long memoir piece on her Tumblr, since deleted, detailing explicitly a weekend interlude with a male intellectual about twice her age, whose name is pretty easy to discern and even though I had never heard of him before is apparently some major presence in the Internet intelligentsia, for lack of a better phrase. This memoir piece was originally accompanied, allegedly, with a grainy camera photo of Marie with this guys' cum on her face, an event detailed within the piece. Later Tao Lin published the story on Muumuu House, and in the process certain facts were left out, and the guy's name was changed, hilariously, to Adrien Brody.

the author known as Marie Calloway

All this was enough to create something like a shitstorm in the online literary world at least, with a frenzy of pieces written about this, and around this, including a large profile of Marie Calloway in the New York Observer, an essay by Roxane Gay on HTML Giant wondering about the ethics of confessionalism, and another essay by Emily Gould on her Emily Magazine placing Marie Calloway in a literary tradition of explicit writers of the self (and sex) like Dodie Bellamy's The Buddhist and Chris Kraus' I Love Dick, which I certainly don't disagree with, although I have some issue with the notion that Marie wasn't herself aware of a female literary tradition (which is more of a philosophical concern regarding our usual cultural assumption that the girl is naive or intuitive).  The essays I read around this piece were thoughtful, although many of the comments around this were demoralizing to me and painful to read, mostly because of the assumption that "Adrien Brody" lacked literary merit: her story read only as a non-self-aware "true confessions," read only as the diary-blog of a young, cute, fuckable and fucked girl. An assessment I definitely do not agree with.

Perhaps I was feeling sore because of a recent review of Green Girl, my recently out novel that certainly details the ambivalent messy sexual exploits of a pretty young ingenue, obsessed with the French New Wave, but more Jean Seberg or Catherine Deneuve to Marie Calloway's Anna Karina (as the New York Observer describes her, although if Marie Calloway is a New Wave muse, she is one by way of Sasha Grey, the extremely literate porn star referenced in "Adrien Brody," who once said her favorite scene from film is that scene in Pierrot le Fou where Anna Karina turns to Jean-Paul Belmondo as they're lying on the beach and says simply: Fuck Me). In this recent review, the reviewer took issue with my taking on the existential crises of a PYT (her phrase) as a subject of literature, at all, in some ways echoing some of the uninspired discourse around Marie Calloway's story. The reviewer writes:

Sometimes a book’s idea, not its execution, can throw you into a rant. Isn’t this angsty-PYT stuff boring to anyone else? Stories of big-city-living with usually white, early-20s, sexually active, generally confused women can be unparalleled in how rote they are. It doesn’t matter if the woman at the center of it is quirky, tragically clueless, impossibly squeamish, or whatever endearing personality trait you’d like to affix onto her. It can be a boring story, where nothing surprising happens and no one learns anything. And when coming-of-age stories are boring, they are less palatable to people who aren’t going or haven’t gone through the exact same things at the exact same time.

I'm actually surprised I didn't get a lot more reviews like this of Green Girl - it was actually what I was expecting, because historically, the novel of the girl has already been dismissed, her coming-of-age is not seen as important philosophical stuff for literature (too frivolous, or too boring). This doesn't only come out of the dominant discourse about what literature should be, who should be allowed to write it, how it should behave, swallowing T.S. Eliot's New Criticism and Flaubert's idea of the novel, but has also been echoed historically by the Second Wave feminists, who look down on heroines who dare to be ambiguous and not empowered. (Angela Carter looking down on Jean Rhys' "dippy dames" -  I consider Jean Rhys the ancestor of a writer like Marie Calloway, albeit one who has edited her work intensely to be as elegant and economical as possible). In Heroines, I take issue with Simone De B's dismissal of women writing literature as well as her wholesale dismissal of the girl. I try to relocate the girls' diary, and then now of course the girls' public diary, her Tumblr, her blog, as not only a mode that allows her to come to writing, but also as a theater of potentially great feeling and discovery, of experimentalism and play. I write in Heroines: "Disgust for Anais Nin is a disgust for the girls with their Livejournals."

In the Observer profile Marie is quoted as saying, “I wrote to express my worldview/subjectivity because it felt then that no one had any idea." Isn't this why people write? Why is her crisis not read as existential? Because she writes about Forever 21 or hot shorts or nail polish or wanting to look cute, amidst all of her agony of wanting to be seen by this intellectual father-figure, and I say father-figure in terms of her desire to be a writer, to be taken seriously, to be read, to be part of the conversation? In Green Girl I cast Ruth as the blonde idealized naif, who is seen as the ultimate cipher in society, a sort of false cultural ideal, cast in films, literature, as mute. We may not like her, but she is what we have been given by the culture, and what we all must recognize with and against, and for some, through. We're bombarded with images of the pretty young girl, and if she's only an image, and never given a voice, even a flawed, imperfect, bad-faithed perspective, this is a huge fucking problem. (Of course, we need a diversity of voices, and a greater recognition of the diversity of female experiences, but that shouldn't take off the table the subverting of this glossy image that the dominant culture itself has created, even as a subject of literature. I am struck by how many girls of all backgrounds and positions have written to me that they saw a mirror of themselves in my Ruth, which reminds me how much this narrative of the girl by the girl is actually lacking in our culture. Girls write to me, hungry and deprived, of these narratives, that I urge them to write as well, themselves. I am not bored of reading these narratives, theories of the girl written by Ariana Reines, Kristen Stone, Marie Calloway, Jackie Wang, Megan Boyle, and then, more from the distance of memory, by Suzanne Scanlon, Chris Kraus, poets of the Gurlesque. I crave to read more of them. I wish I had these narratives when I was 21, that I had read Chris Kraus, or Kathy Acker, or Ariana Reines and what I did have were Anais Nin's journals.)

Here's a passage from Heroines that I think speaks to this:

I think about Jean Seberg’s character Patricia Francini in Godard’s Breathless, the girl-reporter who wants to write novels and not be a sidekick in some film noir. I wonder if Godard was conscious when making the film how much he makes Patricia a cipher, and shows this blank character who is searching for an identity, for a self outside of men, but is never really able to escape it. She wants to write novels, someday, like Faulkner, but she needs to sleep with her editor to write articles, and she must be a muse-baby for the famous novelist in order to get his attention. And her self-worth is completely bound up in how others see her, through another's gaze, and like a Jean Rhys heroine part of her only wants a Dior dress and the man who loves her, but there's this other part, that's just forming, that is having a complete identity crisis, that is Simone de Beauvoir's woman questioning her immanence, questioning her lack of freedom, wanting something more, feeling dreadfully incomplete.

Yet Simone de Beauvoir in The Second Sex doesn’t have much respect for the existential crisis of the girl. She sees her alienation, her sense of apartness, as frivolous, showy, without reflection: “Oppressed and submerged, she becomes a stranger to herself because she is a stranger to the rest of the world.” To her the young girl is doomed to immanence, she is Emma Bovary as Flaubert not Mary McCarthy has imagined her, enraptured by herself as her own heroine in the fantasies she has concocted.

There has been no female Trial or Ulysses, deB writes in The Second Sex, because women writers don’t interrogate the human condition. “A woman could never have become Kafka: in her doubts and anxieties, she would never have recognized the anguish of Man driven from paradise.” “Man” is the capitalized eternal, the transcendant—the woman has already been driven away, has always been excluded from this category.

Perhaps the woman cannot recognize the alienation of Man, but she certainly can understand Eve, and what it means to be rewritten.

Claude Cahun’s series of monologues entitled Heroines, where she takes fictional characters such as Eve or Salome and gives their mythologies a hilarious, contemporary gloss, revisioning them as both flappers and aborted authors. She dedicates these pieces to girls everywhere.

In her girl portraits often published in “pulp” (hence not literary) journals like College Humor, Zelda writes of the young girl perennially imagining herself as a character, performance artists of surface and frivolity, although inside is this sense of apartness, of unexpressed sadness. There is a loneliness and lament to these pretty girls. Throughout the author-narrator watches these girls, from a distance, perhaps the distance of the former self. There is Gay, in “The Original Follies Girl”: “The thing that made you first notice Gay was that manner she had, as though she was masquerading as herself.”

She isn’t writing the American Dream perhaps, but the Frivolous Girl Dream.
Fitzgerald of course dismissed Zelda’s stories as not saying anything greater about the human condition: “Did she have anything to say? No she has not anything to say.”

The difference is  privileging in literature a hero as opposed to a heroine. The difference is dismissing anguish that is seen as feminine, and not “universal” (i.e. masculine). Perhaps Gregor Samsas also take the form, in literature, of 18-year-old chorus girls, or unraveling divorcees, or suicidal overachievers from a prestigious woman’s college.

This is an issue I have with some feminists in the Second Wave and how they often read writers of the girl—for one, they often dismiss the idea that these writers are actually philosophers of the girl, just like the Professor Xs do. They neglect the concept that a philosophy of the girl is even possible. But also, there is this sense reading deBeauvoir and others that the woman writer must write an empowered woman, like Jo in Little Women or something. Maybe these women writers’ heroines or antiheroines are not empowered—but maybe they render honestly a flawed and skewed subjectivity. My main problem with deBeauvoir is that she seemingly doesn’t give the silly girl any space to revolt. Maybe the girl seeks revenge by wedging herself into the larger cultural conversation.


When I was reading all of the comments surrounding this Marie Calloway story and Marie Calloway, this figure, this girl-author, I kept on thinking about the major canonization going on of Ben Lerner's poet's-novel Leaving the Atocha Station, a novel about a young privileged white neurotic man on a Fulbright in Spain who basically stays inside his apartment, looks up porn on the Internet, gets high, takes benzos, fucks pretty Spanish intellectuals who he doesn't even try to get to know, and is basically feted in the novel for his poetry. The brilliance of the novel is how aware the character is of his own fraudulence - his poetry, the way he treats women in his life, his English-language, American-culture imperialism. My god though has this book been feted - written about rapturously in The New Yorker, in The New York Review of Books, etc. Since Ben Lerner himself went on a Fulbright to Spain, etc., had the same background as his character, a la Christopher Isherwood in The Berlin Stories, we perhaps can assume the novel is at least semi-autobiographical. But no one asks about his ethics behind writing these encounters with girls he basically falls into and fucks around with, like some sort of Ivy League Kerouac. I don't argue that there is an ethics for writing the autobiographical. However, those who are all agog that Marie C. wrote about a real, locatable person, insular in a literary scene, must not remember or know the history of modern literature, where this happened all the fucking time (D.H. Lawrence sending up Bloomsbury in Women in Love, Mary McCarthy writing of her affairs, Robert Lowell's The Dolphin, F. Scott Fitzgerald, the Beats, I mean, I could go on and on and on. And most of the time in modern literature it is the more famous man writing about his wife or mistress).  What I don't understand, or rather, I do understand all too well, and  don't like,  iswhy in these situations it is almost always the girl branded as the criminal for the "confessional" and asked to feel bad, to feel guilt or shame for writing the truths of their experiences, are sometimes even diagnosed as being borderline, inappropriate, toxic, messy, etc., while men have written of their affairs and sexual relationships always and their ethics are rarely questioned. This to me is a form of discipline and punishment that we internalize, which is why so many women writers self-censor. You know what it's called when male writers write of their sexual exploits? LITERATURE. And I kept on thinking reading through all the comments, essays, dialogues, etc., around this one girl and her story, a dialogue that was mostly moralizing or dismissive, as if her youth was a disease she would outgrow someday, is that if the Guy in question - the Marxist scholar, the pop-intellectual, had written his version, it would have been published in the best locales and feted. We would never have been questioning his ethics. We would never worry or wonder that he was writing these female writers or artists as ciphers, as muses, as opposed to embodied women. In Heroines I write, in a long section discoursing on "confessionalism":

Yet of course HE can write the autobiographical, but his work is read as aspiring to something greater. The ruins of his self are the ruins of post-war society. SHE is read as simply writing herself, her toxic, messy self, and her self is not seen as legitimate as literature according to the theories their husbands themselves espoused.

One of the major strands around Marie Calloway, brought up in the Observer piece, is whether Marie Calloway is a feminist, whether her writing is feminist. This should not be the point. It does not matter whether the story is feminist, whether the writer is feminist. She should not have to shoulder that burden, while writing, to speak for others, to try to pretend empowerment. What I liked about the story - and if I hadn't said so - I really liked it, so much so that I'm surprised by its wholesale dismissal   - was how flawed and vain and messy and toxic, yet totally self-aware, the character is.  No the story's not perfect, yes, it could be edited , but I liked the vernacular it was written in, and I wasn't bored,  or if I was bored, I think tedium was kind of the point, an atmospheric decision. I think the character was "bored and vapid," more than the story was, and I think there's some commentary there, the beauty stuff, the routine sex going through the cum-on-my-face rituals, I think the tedium conjured was actually very successful to the piece.  In terms of style, there did seem to be some sort of Tao Lin-mimicry, a flatness that I didn't think benefited the story,  Tao Lin also like this god-figure looming above the story, Marie's story, her character's story, like this Marxist Internet intellectual, just like Ford Madox Ford edited and shaped Jean Rhys's diaries (but she's a young, obviously talented and brave writer. Let her find her own voice, however she must). It seems to me that Marie's story could be read in a way as a take down, or discourse, about Marxism,  which is a conversational strand in the piece, at one point in the story Marie asks Adrien whether he's an idealist or a materialist, and he notes that she's definitely a materialist, because she's a Marxist. I do think she seems to be sending up herself as well as this other character, their pseudo-intellectual conversations undercut by their banal sexual encounters, in a way that reminds me of All the King's Horses, the bubbly roman a clef by Michele Bernstein, Guy DeBord's wife, that parodies in some way the father of Situationism and their daily lives that reads instead like an episode of Gossip Girl. The piece reads to me like a delicious revenge piece, the cipher-girl taking back her story, telling her own perspective, and a kind of "dumb cunt" answer to the great male intellectuals - I'm stealing  that phrase from Chris Kraus' I Love Dick, and I do see the correlation Emily Gould makes, it's a good one, between Dodie's The Buddhist and Chris' text, because both are writing back, against their toxic obsessions and affairs with these male intellectuals, and in doing so, are refusing to be erased or silenced, and privileging writing the explicit and emotional, and yes, sexual (bodily, materialist) self. That is perhaps the feminism of such a project here - the reclaiming of the confessional, the refusal to be silent, the decision to write the body.






Against accusations that my reading of Marie Calloway is hyperbolic - I would say - it's totally obvious she's talented, and I really enjoyed this story. I also think I have pretty good taste. Also, my essays are often spirited, rants, and that's because my criticism, the way I read, comes from a place of deep feeling, and I experienced intense emotions reading all of this, all of the fucknotery of the whole thing, measured against what I still argue is an interesting, often beautiful story. But beyond that, if a student had showed this to me in a workshop, I would doubtless have praised and encouraged them as well, and seen total promise. I would have been thrilled to have seen this story in workshop (is this why I can't get a job teaching? maybe, I don't know.) The rules stories like this break are exciting to me - even though I will agree, and have said, there appears to be a certain sameness of style with the writers associated with Muumuu House and Tao Lin- or perhaps it's a school, young writers raised on texting and livejournal etc. who write of their emotions and their quotidians, their anxieties that are somehow tampered by drugs illegal and legal - like a Xanax school of writers, I'd even fit Ben Lerner's book into that, I'm sure he'd hate that, although Leaving the Atocha Station isn't as Facebook or social networking aware.  But more than this - more than this - it is a massive part of my belief system - I believe in championing young women writers, and supporting them, and believing in them, and learning from them, and viewing them not only as mentees but more often than not as  slightly younger peers, not chopping them down to size, because that's what obviously happening anyway in the culture.  If Marie Calloway had emailed me her story I would have told her as I'm writing here - this is good, this is really freaking good. And more than that, this is important, to write our lives, to attempt to measure them out, in any way, in pills, in fucks, in fashion hauls, in toxic holiday dinners, in coffee spoons. Despite what they say, we have just as much a right to attempt to make our existences and our observations into literature as anyone else does.


It does not matter whether Marie Calloway propositioned this writer for the sake of a story, or for an experience - this is something some girls do. When I was a young 20-something I did most everything, including sexual exploits, for the sake of "experience," but more than that, because I did see myself as an author, and wanted to write someday about these experiences, I didn't know how, and I didn't have predecessors at the time to give me permission to write about being a messy, fucked-up girl. There is a performance to this sort of confessional writing - the performance and testing of the self, of limits and boundaries, not only what one could do, but whether one has the nerve or dumbness to write about it, to publish it - so besides Anais Nin and Jean Rhys, Dodie Bellamy and Chris Kraus, Marie's piece also reminded me of a young Sophie Calle or Tracey Emin or Marina Abramovic, fucking for sport, performance, commentary. Certainly she's being talked about. I just worry about the conversation.




Updates:
Here's a blog post by Marie where she delineates some of her ideas for the character of Marie Calloway in "Adrien Brody," and her ideas behind the story
Here's Kristen Stone writing about it
Here's Zoe Zolbrod
Here's Tao Lin


God, this piece and its blowup/blowout has really made us all talk and think and dissect and engage what we want out of literature...that's something, isn't it? That said, I've spent lots of time today responding to emails and comments, engaging in dialogue...it was all fun, and hopefully productive, but I'm out in terms of publishing or answering more comments regarding it. This piece will be reprinted in Thought Catalog, which I agreed to because I really hate the idea of all this vitriol leveled against this writer, who more than anything I think has loads of promise, if she's not defeated by this whole public experience.

45 comments:

  1. good post but can i ask you is there that much sex in ben lerner's novel? adam gordon is in a sexual relationship with isabel. he never has sex with teresa, which becomes a theme in the novel. the few mentions of sex with the former involve no details, no "sex scenes" or gloating. in fact, adam is totally self-mocking about what you're calling his exploits. i think you are dismissing a very unconventional book around sex and gender. i believe in the double standard you're describing, but lerner's book is just not an example

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  2. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for writing here. I feel people are really stuck on the sex in Marie's story - I wasn't writing to so much the sex, but to the notion of writing the autobiographical, and writing about others who are themselves intellectuals and poets and could be traced, the ethics of this. As I remember it, there is actually a lot of sex or the talk of potential sex or awkward kind of sexual encounters in Ben Lerner's novel (also the porn, etc.) that I think is a good comparison with Marie's story. THe difference is of course yes she writes more explicitly about these encounters.

    But why is a "sex scene" gloating? I don't get that. I really don't. Regardless, this seems to be a similar criticism, to say, Anais Nin's journals, that Henry Miller didn't get with his autobiographical novels.

    I totally think Adam is self-mocking his exploits in the novel, absolutely - as I write, I think the brilliance of the novel is the character's awareness of his own fraudulence. I don't think it's fair to say that the character Marie Calloway isn't also extremely self-aware in the piece, because I think she is.

    I think calling Leaving the Atocha Station an unconventional novel about sex and gender a total stretch however, despite digging the book. Despite its poetic brilliance, and its intellectual themes, it is to me a pretty conventional novel written from the point of view of the privileged tortured white man.

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  3. Oh also Jane you commented here and somehow Blogger swallowed your comments! But thanks for all the good wishes for the New Year - back at you!

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  4. This is such a fascinating story - I hadn't read about it before! I really agree with you that these stories shouldn't be hushed up. I'm going to continue to think about it and read. I also feel a Jean Rhys re-reading marathon coming on.

    Hope you have a great Christmas and New Year as well!

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  5. enjoyed this piece, thank you for writing it

    about influence/editing, i didn't edit 'adrien brody' at all and i'm not sure what marie has read of my writing, i'm pretty sure she wouldn't consider me an influence on her writing

    i've never offered any suggestions of editing to any degree to her except when we talked about changing the name to 'adrien brody'

    i've felt similarly about jean rhys & marie

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  6. Hi Tao - Perhaps my discerning Marie's influences is as patriarchal/knowing as assuming she doesn't have any. You kind of are a character in the piece, though, correct? So I guess I meant I felt that your influence loomed in the piece, that's what I meant in terms of FMF and Jean Rhys, less that Ford Madox Ford edited Rhys but that he saw her talent and published her. I wonder if she had read your work beforehand, as I sensed some similarity of style - but I guess I made an assumption.

    Good to see you here!

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  7. Hi Andrea - Oh a Jean Rhys re-reading is always a good idea. Also the Michele Bernstein text I reference, that's a Semiotext(e) novel - I think you'd really dig.

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  8. 'So I guess I meant I felt that your influence loomed in the piece, that's what I meant in terms of FMF and Jean Rhys, less that Ford Madox Ford edited Rhys but that he saw her talent and published her. I wonder if she had read your work beforehand, as I sensed some similarity of style - but I guess I made an assumption.'

    that makes sense and i was interested in reading that

    my comment was more just to help prevent criticism (that happens to anyone vaguely associated with me that is writing in a vaguely similar prose style to some of my writing) that ____ is 'copying' me

    i linked your essay in various places, thank you again for writing it

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  9. I've read a few different articles, blog posts, etc. about Marie Calloway. Yours is the most straight-forward and honest. Thank you.

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  10. Thanks Beach Sloth! I had no idea the hullabaloo about this until last night...I guess that's a side effect of not living in NYC, maybe?

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  11. I appreciate your outlook. Question: why do you call their sexual encounters "banal"?

    I don't know that I consider any sexual encounter to be banal. The word seems dismissive to me in a way I don't like, and possibly indicative of a conscious or unconscious policing of what is "acceptable" content.

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  12. "Last night I laid in bed and read all about the hullabaloo surrounding this young writer who goes by the pseudonym of Marie Calloway..."

    Are you making fun of the fact that she uses "laid" incorrectly? Obviously, you're aware the past tense is of "lie" is "lay."

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  13. Thank you Richard for correcting me. I will change it. Yet obviously *you* must realize there's also a difference between being the grammar police and an original, or even interesting, writer or thinker.

    In the future, however, please don't comment here. This is not HTML Giant.

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  14. Stephen - I was in no ways policing what was acceptable or unacceptable content. However, sex can be banal. It can be bored, it can be banal, it can be angry, it can be disappointing, it can be unoriginal, cliched, sad, weird, messy, toxic, all of these things.

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  15. Thanks for the article Kate. This was the most clear headed analysis of the situation I've read so far.

    I've been confused by the questioning of Calloway's motives. She says she writes, “to express my worldview/subjectivity because it felt then that no one had any idea,” and that's a valid reason. The piece is successful in showing us her worldview. As far as the other motives people (HTMLGiant commenters) have put forth (fame, attention, sensationalism), these are all things that male artists never get called out on ("Chelsea Hotel No. 2").

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  16. Thanks so much for this here. I absolutely agree.

    (Also, note: on this post, as it's been linked some places, I am not publishing everyone's comments from here on out, just select ones. It is totally fine to disagree with me and I welcome discourse. But as this is my personal blog I don't have the responsibility or burden to post negative jerky comments. In other words: boys: behave.)

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  17. kate, have you looked into/read about the whole lana del rey phenomenon? google her and i'm sure lots of weird stuff will come, or i can recommend some reading- i only ask because she is being called, basically a fake/dumb cunt by a lot of media/internet comment-writers, and i think much of that has to do with what she looks like (v. traditionally pretty/feminine) and how her looks are being perceived as something she uses- lots of accusations of her being "inauthentic." i am not a fan of her, quite, but would defend her as an artist and woman any day. and i think what you write about here extends so much into other realms, where women's stories and art are placed directly in relation to what is seen as their innate manipulative powers and lack of actual talent. it hurts my heart, so much. but i love to see women fighting for each other like you do here, extending a hand into the ether. if enough hands were extended we'd be more terrifying, and magnificently in love, than anyone can possibly imagine. xox

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  18. god, i love you gina abelkop. you're always to terrifically optimistic and your comments always end in rushing crescendos of positivity.

    (googling lana del rey now)

    ok. yeah, the pretty girl. like the pretty girl is some sort of criminal. i think definitely this has something to do with marie c. being comely and young, but even if she was just young, she would still be accused of being a dumb cunt.

    i think we all extend our hands to each other in this ether, like you do for me, you writing about anna's book on html giant, we do for others. i facebooked marie and she seemed like a totally cool person, a talented, dedicated writer, this fiction that she wasn't a writer or an intellect is totally ridiculous.

    i think about bett williams calling these online sub-subcultures here a "witchy coven" and i really like that, but i don't think it's a Feminist thing, and by that I mean, of course it's feminist, in feminism's awesome ways, the open rhetoric, the critiquing of those in power, the championing of the feminine, but also at times at odds with at least the ethos of the Second Wave which also dismisses writing and projects like Marie's, and probably lots of our's, by extension.

    What are we now? Like Post-something? Third Wave? Maybe generational? Even though I'm imagining I'm at least a decade older than Marie. Maybe not generational maybe positional?

    Whatever it is, we need to support each other. It's really fucking hard at times to trangress certain boundaries as a woman writer and not go crazy, or feel like you are crazy, and this Internet culture, with its automatic responses and public sphere, only makes things more intense.

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  19. This was a really interesting, thoughtful essay, as always, Kate. I agree that the Calloway piece does read like a revenge piece and were I in such a situation as Calloway found herself in, I might have written something similar at her age. What concerns me, and what I am still thinking through, are the limits of confession for both men and women. I am concerned with the ethics not because Marie is a woman, or young. I would ask these questions of anyone who wrote such a piece. I had actually not heard of Calloway and am only marginally familiar with the male writer so these are not people I know much about. The questions about limits and ethics definitely transcend Calloway's story. I don't necessarily think there should be limits to confession but I also wonder about the backstory, the veracity of it, and while I respect toxic, messy writing (and love working within that realm myself), I do think it is important to talk about the effects of toxicity on people who are written about and hell, even the writer themselves. The sex is actually the least relevant part of this conversation taking place.

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  20. i enjoyed reading this, kate

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  21. Roxane - Your piece was also very thoughtful, as always, I always enjoy hearing what you have to say. I definitely think the question of ethics in writing the self and of others around you are good ones to ask - definitely - and that this transcends Calloway's story, but I think there's this whole culture and internalizing of shame and guilt when women or girls or girlish women or whatever want to write their stories, a fear and loathing that it can be part of male privilege to not have. (Going back to all the writers that we consider Great Male Authors, Fitzgerald, Henry Miller, fuck, Flaubert, they did not have these worries of ostracizing or alienating, even if they did, god Lady Ottoline Morrow took to bed for weeks when reading her carciature of herself in DH Lawrence's Women in Love, same with Zelda for Tender is the Night or Louise Colet when reading Madame Bovary).

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  22. Also Roxane: I almost feel ethics wasn't as much in play, in terms of this person she was sending up and parodying in the piece: he seemed to be very aware that this writer wrote about her encounters in a very public forum, and that is even a dialogue within the story. I think he knew what he was getting into. And in terms of having the affair, I think that's his ethics, not hers. He was the one who cheated on his girlfriend, and knew he was setting her up in some way for humiliation.

    But it wasn't your essay I had the real pause about, it was the comments swirling about it on the old HTML.

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  23. Laurel Nakadate: "Anybody who attacks me for [being attractive] is anti-feminist. I have the right to make these performances with the body and the face I was given."

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  24. Yeah I like that. Hannah Wilke got that a lot as well.

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  25. Kate, yes, definitely I can see how the comments gave you pause. They gave me pause. And yes, absolutely, the ethical question resides primarily with the guy here. As I note in my essay, the sanctity of his relationship is his responsibility, not Calloway's. I am not questioning the ethics of the affair in the least, and certainly not from her perspective. That's not my business. Is there a project in Adrien Brody? Probably. And there's certainly a tradition at work here. And I too find it deeply problematic that women who write about sexuality must face an interrogation men never face. I'd love to talk about that more. What I question is the ethics of writing about an affair, disclosing real names (as was the case in the original posting on Calloway's blog), etc. and not for his sake, but for the girlfriend's. I suppose I imagined how I would feel if my man pulled a stunt like this and to see that displayed in public and what it would be like to have to live with that knowledge. At the end of the day, this man put his girlfriend in that position (if the details are true). I nonetheless feel a great deal of empathy for the woman who did not ask to be a part of this "story" and I think it's worth talking about the responsibility Calloway has, if any, where the collateral damage, for lack of a better phrase, is concerned. Does art transcend the damage? That's what's on my mind.

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  26. Roxane - I agree with everything you say here. Absolutely. I do feel empathy for that other woman.

    The topic of collateral damage in literature is a fascinating one. Robert Lowell drew so much ire with "The Dolphin" when he used his now-ex-wife's Elizabeth Hardwick's phone conversations and letters verbatim, not changing her name, in a poetic cycle basically about his love for his new life, Lady Caroline Blackwood. In that case I would say that the collateral damage was not worth it, that he did not have to quote so verbatim.

    So it's funny I guess usually when the wife figure has been victimized/plagiarized I have felt tremendous empathy for her, when she has been made a character. Strange perhaps that I have less empathy for this character in Marie's story.. The girlfriend, definitely.

    Should the story have been told on the blog post without changing names? Probably not. But even if they were changed (as they were in the story, or Dodie did with The Buddhist, or Chris did with I Love Dick), it's usually pretty clear to those involved still who the person was. Should the names still have been changed? Yes, they should have.

    All this interesting discourse we're having around this one story!

    I always love reading what you ahve to say.

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  27. I guess too what I'm trying to say is that at least *historically* men have been less worried about this question of collateral damage than women, and when women have drawn from real life for their writing, of an affair, etc., they've gotten into the most trouble, which I see Marie Calloway fitting into.

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  28. Kate, great insights. Also, thanks for the passages from Heroines. I will look forward to the essays next fall. Lastly, with tongue firmly in cheek, wasn't Kerouac also a "sort of Ivy League Kerouac" himself (Columbia, albeit a dropout)?

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  29. Thanks and ha. Totally great point. Although I always think of Kerouac and Ginsberg as like continuing ed adults at Columbia...is that not the case? Regardless will look into and revise.

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  30. Super post. The best on the subject by far!

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  31. Kate, I think this is the most amazing discussion of what is wrong with the literary world in regard to sexism. I just wish you had written it in response to anything rather than the personal essay by Marie Calloway. Personal essays, unlike fiction, (and even if Tao Lin calls it that, we know it's not) must be read with a different moral compass. There are so many wonderful writers who deserve this defense- Francine Prose, Debra Dickerson, Cheryl Strayed, Joan Didion--I loved Anais Nin as a young woman and Jean Rhys - I've read everything she's written, including her juvenalia, which is pretty weak. And then - she turned into a brilliant writer in my mind. It's OK to be a bad writer at 21. I was. But I don't think it's OK to happily sleep with men who you know have girlfriends and mock their sexual predilections publicly. (I'm not even going to get into what a cad mr. new inquiry comes off as-- nor do I feel sorry for his girlfriend, beyond that fact that she is his girlfriend). I think its mean spirited. And I'll say that about many a young indie male writer, too. Noah Cicero's piece on a visit to NYC comes to mind- just nasty stuff. And completely artless. Very very few young writers are interesting. Tea Obrecht is an exception. But who wants to read The Rachel Papers by Martin Amis? You can make a long list of exceptions- but it's still the truth.

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  32. "very very few young writers are interesting" - Paula, I happen to really, really disagree with you. And I am not disturbed with the distinction between memoir and fiction, genre that I see more pronounced because of publishing houses. (Was Rilke's Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge ficton or memoir? Christopher Isherwood's The Berlin Stories, etc?) And let's look at Berlin Stories, an amazing work to me, that is best looked at as a nonfiction novel. But you might know this, but Sally Bowles was based on Christopher Isherwood's friend Jean Ross (the Internet mistakenly says it's Jean Rhys, which I find kind of hilarious). Jean Ross was a war reporter who yes had some wildness in her youth. Sally Bowles as Christopher Isherwood writes her is a vulgar paper doll, for the most part, Isherwood once wrote of the abortion scene,that if he hadn't inserted it she would have just seemed like a frivolous little bitch. I'm paraphrasing, but there you are. Women have been made into characters in loosely veiled fiction for a really long time now, and this was of course an alienating experience for them, and destructive, often, especially towards their careers and subjectivities as writers. I wrote an entire book on the subject.

    I dont' agree that personal essays need to be read with a different moral compass - as I tend not to use a moral compass when reading literature. I dont' believe in it, actually.And I find this moralizing stance "I dont' think it's OK to happily sleep with men who you know have girlfriends and mock their sexual predilections publicly" kind of disturbing. First of all, no one says this can't make great literature (Mary McCarthy's The Company That She Keeps Comes to Mind, Fitzgerald's Tender is the Night, drawing on his affair with Lois Moran, another one). But I dont' think it's our job as readers of literature (nonfiction and fiction) to be moral judges. And I think this happens way more with women writers. But I also really disagree with you. I don't think she's mocking the girlfriend, and I don't think it's mean-spirited.

    I return back to one of your last sentences "Very very few young writers are interesting." And then bringing up Tea Obrecht. All I can do is pause at this. I also don't know what you speak of when you speak of Jean Rhys' juvenalia. Her earlier, between-the-war novels (Quartet, After Leaving Mr. Mackenzie) are in my mind some of her best work. And yes, very memoir-based (but Rhys said that her work had shape, unlike real life). I also don't think that just because someone writes something when they're young, it's bad, or artless, god, what a terrible word, in my opinion. And I have absolutely no interest in Tea Obrecht, but I believe her novel is this fully fictionalized world - this is not what we're speaking of - I was writing about work drawn from life. "It's okay to be a bad writer at 21" - I don't think Marie Calloway is a bad writer. I don't think she's Jean Rhys, but if people are shutting her down, dismissing her, she will never have the ability to become Jean Rhys, and I think her story shows real talent and real potential.

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  33. one more addendum: if her writing was merely bad, it would be passed over and not paid attention to. it's really about this moral issues, the moralizing of her piece, which I read as a double standard, a shadow that still haunts young women, disciplines and punishes them. When I say I don't read literature through a moral compass - I mean that a work of literature should be read on its own terms. Of course I judge and moralize the behinds-the-scenes of a work, like Robert Lowell plagiarizing his wife Elizabeth Hardwick and publicly embarassing her in "The Dolphin" - I don't feel that Marie Calloway, as far as I can tell, acted cruelly. This was her story to tell.


    And with that, this is the last comment I will make about Marie Calloway. I've received emails, comments here and elsewhere, and even though it's really stimulated me and made me think, and I'm glad it happened, I'm glad I wrote about it, I'm glad I read Marie's story, I have to return to my life/work/writing. I can't be the spokesperson of the piece - I didn't edit it or write it. But I will go back to again, my belief that it's better to champion young writers as opposed to dismiss them.

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  34. and I say all this not being able to get a teaching job here - I really hope people who are teaching in all of these various creative writing program have some belief in their students' possibilities and talents.

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  35. (please just edit me for grammar, typos, internally inside of your head. thank you.)

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  36. Exhilarating to read this post. The girl/woman coming of age deserves full blooded full tilt attention.

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  37. I too enjoy this post--and am just utterly envious of your ability to not stop an essay, to just go and go and go, to get the words out: I'm often guilty of censoring my spews (spew only applies to me: it is not a diss indirectloy directed to you!) wayyyyyy toooo soon, so it's lovely to see someone doing what I wish I would/felt I can do.

    I find the question of whether to use "real" names or pseudonyms really interesting, and although I don't have any well developed theory I'm inclined to believe there can be something really valuable to not using the pseudonym; I have only written one explictly confessional negative piece which used a real name, and it felt crucial to me to use the actual name--I guess because it then felt like I was writing into the world, into a potentially unsafe zone, into a space where word and world become closer. I definitely think there are ethical issues to consider, but I also do believe there's some difficult important dynamics which can occur by not using the pseudonym. And of course you havn't written anything that I see as needing rebbutal: I hope this is just a relevant enough sprout from the discourse.

    I say a huge hello to Genet! And of course I hope you are doing wonderfully! And I am totally with you on feeling Gina Abelkop is wonderful!

    adam strauss

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  38. really enjoyed this essay. we're *so* hard on twenty-something females. you put the story in perspective--with compassion! thank you.

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  39. Hello! Lovely to "hear" from you!

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  40. This from a Rumpus interview:

    I should note that it’s common knowledge that I first ran “Adrien Brody” using pictures and real names on my blog, and I now see how that was a really horrible and irresponsible thing to do, and I will never do anything like that again without permission.

    Although I of course get this response, I do still wobbily stand by her original decision. She seems rather dear in this interview.

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  41. People are always ready to say such negative things about the woman in cases like this one, but no one seems to mention anything about the man. The way I see it, this “Adrian Brody“ fellow came across as a total dweeb. Regardless of the literary merit of this work, it highlights a very unequal dynamic. Dude got to sleep with this young, intelligent, charming, interesting, attractive woman who, because she grew up with this culture, seems to have a very low opinion of herself (which isn't based on anything objective; when it comes to many young women of today, no achievement or personal quality is ever enough). She was willing to get all dressed up for him and put all that intense effort into sexually pleasing him - and what did HE ever do to seduce or charm her? I have gone through Calloway's entire long story, and nothing that the guy said or did seemed remotely insightful, sexy, or impressive. All he did was whine about this and that and say vaguely intellectual things. Unfortunately, that seems to be enough to get a girl who doesn`t have quite enough inner confidence to say “Fuck this; I’m too awesome”.

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